>> that's where the debate is because there are constitutional ways to readdress obama care. can you pass a law, overright a veto, win an lerkz, take over. those are the prescribed ways for undoing. >> what the problem is now is you have a law that's been passed, and legitimately passed and upheld by the supreme court that's falling apart. >> sure. >> it's falling apart. >> that's not clear, bill. that's not clear. >> it's clear to me, rosen. if you just hang around for the next segment i will prove it to you. this law is falling apart it seems to me it's incumbent on our leadership in both parties to admit it's not really working out well. >> think how frustrated some of those. >> bill: find a solution within the framework of making it better. let rosen. rosen is challenging me. okay? i want the government on both sides, including the president, to say this is not really working that well. let's try to find a way to make it better and in the meantime, if we have to give in here and there, we will. what is wrong with that