that didn't matter much. here you have a sequester but is it not about a full faith and credit discussion. but if you're a democrat who wants to scare people or to make them fearful of this situation or to deemonnize republicans, you will work very hard to conflate those two issues and make people thing they're the same. >> neil: thank you very much. we want to remind you again you do not default with the government shutting down you default when you can't make good on an interest payment to u.s. bond investors. that happened then katy bar the door. that has not happened nor will it anytime soon. >> everybody folked on what may shut down to midnight tonight. is anything looking at the longer list of things that will not in/ well, there's hannah, maddie, jen, sara m., sara b., sa -- whoa, whoa. hold on. (under his breath) here it comes...