look, does this tone last in the long haul? >> oh, arthel, you know the history of this country. we've always had a spirited debate and name calling. i prefer to stick with the substance. that little clip you used of ted cruz, a small clip out of 21 hours, personally i'd like to let the nazis rest in hell where they belong and stop dredging them up in every debate. this is very, very serious subject. i mean, we're talking about one sixth of the national economy. the post office is asking for a 3-cent pay raise because it can't run the place efficiently. why would we think that big government, having failed at so many things, from head start to food stamps and so much else, is going to be able to run this? so i think there is passion here and that's a good thing because passion helps get the people's attention. >> arthel: but passion is one thing and just being in a conundrum forever is another thing. so this tone continue in your opinion? >> well, it certainly can.