and commissary where is many families shop would close. pentagon comptroller, the man responsible for the largest budget in the federal government, explained the impact of a potential shutdown. >> even if the lapse never occurs, the planning itself is disruptive. people are worrying now about whether their paychecks are going to be delayed rather than focusing fully on their mission. >> one the office -- the office of management and budget estimates the last time there was a shutdown in 1995, it cost the taxpayers about $1.4 billion. arthel? >> arthel: jennifer griffin reporting from washington, thank you. i want to remind you that you can hear much more on this spending shutdown and the battle over obamacare by tuning in to fox news sunday. that's tomorrow. chris wallace sitting down for an exclusive interview with republican whip congressman kevin mccarthy, and senators mike lee and tim kane. that's tomorrow only on the fox news channel.