>> well, jon, as you know, we have complained about this often, and this is not a one-shot, one-off by the president. he and his aides have done this repeatedly. it's effective. it draws attention away from the fact that his own popularity is sinking in the polls. but even here at fox there is, there was a spirited debate about obamacare and how it's going to play out and its impact and implications even on "the five." bob beckel, the panel liberal, was defending the program and accusing fox of scare tactics, and he was trounced upon by his co-panelists. so i think debate is healthy. the president at this point, of course, is aware of what's on fox news because more americans watch fox news than any other. it gets under his skin. and i think he was, as you pointed out, light-hearted in it, but the message was clear. jon: kirsten, i have a problem, i guess, with his assertion that you should just go to the web site and check it out as if all