90-year-old woman jump on top of an armed al-shabaab terrorist. if you can neutralize the weapon and on top of it, the fight will give you much higher chance of surviving a terror attack, if you can. >> i mean if you are able, in any way to neutralize the attack you're saying and if you feel that you're already being, you're in a confrontation, right? i mean if you're seeing that you are -- >> correct, correct. martha: otherwise you're saying get out, find a way out because a lot of times we know, even from september 11th people were advised to stay in the bidding. do you listen to that advice when you hear it? if you see there is a door you can get out of? >> no, no, i don't. i think it is important to understand what the fight or flight reaction will be. realistically the training, the consulting with corporations for these types of a situation need to be very realistic. people will head to a doorway. that is where they will run. law enforcement has to train to run inside of that doorway as hundreds of people are running out. that training has to be