foundations that want to send in money to help out women organizations and empowering children. interfering in the business of their government, destabilizing their countries they see it as a threat. president obama, the community organizer says no, this is good work picking up on president bush's pro-item thing. these people are not fomenting dissent or trouble. they are trying to help grow better societies around the world. we want civil society. that's why you had secretary of state kerry and everybody there. >> bill: that's more boring than i thought was going to be. >> bill: i thought mary katharine it was about giving putin -- putting girl rock stars in jail and doesn't like the gays now even though he is a gay icon but he doesn't wear a shirt. you can't do. this i thought it was a jab at putin, hey, hey, come on, civil society. >> i would like to think that i think there is better ways to do that i think he showed up to give