>> for sure. scott walker's reforms gave all -- it basically required workers to resetter identify their union dd resetter identify their union with a 50% majority vote every year so the union has toern its members' respect. >> i can see, kim, this is why the unions fought walk walker's reforms because they worried if the government no longer had them in the cat bird's seat when negotiating, when union members gets a choice, pay dues-don't pay dues, that often say, you know what? i think i won't pay dues. >> that's why you see, for instance, such a ferocious protest among unions for the movement, and recent times some states attempting to move to right-to-work states, which give workers a lot more freedom to not pay dues to a union, for instance, and some of this also gets to what we were talking about, this afl-cio vote that happened recently at its