martha: elizabeth, things are pretty complicated on the republican side when it comes to this. so what is the house speaker carving out what he wants he has got his work cut out for him. >> reporter: the speaker wants spending cuts from, quote, changes and reforms. he says the white house and congress has historically raised the debt limit in the past to find common ground solutions but there is a group of house conservatives demand they want to suffocate funds from the health care law. senator harry reid had a different impression from a meeting they had yesterday on the funding conflict. >> you can't talk about increasing the debt limit unless you're willing to make changes and reforms that begin to solve the spending problem that washington has. >> i had to be very candid with him and i told him very directly that all these things that they're trying to do on the obamacare is just a waste of their time. >> reporter: while both sides may be eager to blame the other for a possible shutdown the impending september 30th deadline on the horizon is very