on this? >> 25 years plus. because they went into the store -- >> so they are in trouble. now, katherine russell, she's the widow of tamerlan, the guy who was shot to death and then run over by his brother in a are ka. here she is. she's a convert to islam. >> uh-huh. >> and apparently the fbi has a phone call when tamerlan was on the run called her and they chatted and this is the nsa surveillance thing. this is what they can do. >> at work. >> right. so they got some kind of call. the odds are that this woman was going to be charged. >> she's got a whole team who represents her. >> if all they have right now is a call but not the substance of that call. there was no tap or anything like that, it's going to be hard for them to show. i'm just saying if, it's going to be hard for them to show. >> it says here that they have some information against her. >> right. >> so she could be charged, radio it?