had he drew -- >> how can you possibly say that? >> he drew the red line. >> he's responsible for launching chemical weapons that killed 400 kids? >> can i finish? >> yes, go ahead. >> 30 months, they've been torturing people in syria. years ago they had -- a year and a half ago in fact to get involved answered hasn't. he has dithered. his response is feeble and he says, we're going to launch this attack to send a message to other nations? is the -- >> hang on, hang on guys. i want to get kimberly in. >> let me get kimberly in here. president obama drew the red line and said it's go time. then he said i need congressional support. we're confused. >> it's paralyzing equivocation on his part. you may support him going on. he should have gone in before. if you do a body count, there was justification to go in earlier. i get the thing drawing the line about chemical.