believe it is empowering? >> i want to say nice things because i like her and she is 20 years old, but i feel like she had her first beer last night at the vma's and that's what happens. you completely embarrass yourselves and you lose it. she had the foam finger and i was on the side of the stage and she went off by a drummer and they didn't have her on camera the whole time, but she was doing unimaginable things that i can not even tell you -- >> no, you can tell, you can tell. >> but it is not like they just said let's do this. there is a lot of work that goesnto one of these songs. >> i'm sure there is a lot of rehearsal time. there are so many memorable moments on the vma's. that's memorable, but not one you want to talk about. >> i thought it was impressive how she was able to cor yaw graph her claw midyaw. >> that's her little sister. >> she is just 20 years old. >> yes, but 20 in the old days