for anybody, for a family man, he's terrific in the image he presents. we have terrific mayors out there. mayor reed in atlanta. mayor brown in jacksonville. more nutter, mayor booker, governor deval. >> bill: you're avoiding my question. i know there are terrific people in the democratic party. you had a speaker who comes in -- here it is, here it is. white collars, replaced white sheets. it's all bad. the country's bad. blah, blah, blah. when is that going to stop? >> but you listen to the former president, the current president give uplifting terrific speeches, and you want to spend your time on what the first speaker said. >> bill: no. i want a balanced approach. we gave credit and criticized. >> i agree with you. i like what president obama and president clinton said much more than this guy said. you know, everybody's got a point of view. the guy laid his out. i don't think his point of view is a point of view that's a