i mean, look, this comes down to -- and it spans all colors. white, black, whatever. it comes down to this society will condemn what is going on here. that is a deemphasis on a traditional family, making excuse after excuse after excuse, and failing to grapple with the problem. >> that is the deep seated problem. >> bill: that's what it's all about. >> to me, let's back up and talk about the banality of the motive. did these children, 15, 16 years old, why did they commit this horrifying crime, shoot a total stranger in the back? >> bill: they have no impulse control. >> there's value, there's a lack of values. >> bill: sure. they don't care. >> they don't cherish human life, don't have the same, you know, feeling about nurturing and becoming somebody, becoming