there's no way to connect that with these discriminatory practices. >> when they started these police tactics, the murder rate went down dramatically and immediately as soon as they were implemented. there's a direct correlation. as soon as they started it, murder rates went down. crime went down. now he would suggest that if we go back from that that they would start up again. why would that not make sense to you? >> let's talk about what going back from that means, sean. nothing about this ruling gets rid of stop and frisk. it gets rid of discriminatory effect we see it being used in new york city today. >> you can spin it any way you want. angela? >> the judge said it was unconstitutional. if you look at the two cases which was ruled by the supreme court, terry versus ohio, as late as 2009 you had arizona versus johnson that proved that stop and frisk does not impede