because i want to ask the republicans are still pushing for possible defunding, and if so, would a delay be enough to satisfy them on enough points to get it to proceed? >> well, now, some republicans are pushing for defunding, but you have other republicans that are more moderate that are saying, let's not do a government shutdown because in 2014 it will actually hurt us politically. what some republicans want to do, jaime, is go to the table and develop solutions or delay obamacare. if you're going to delay the mandate for employers, why not delay the mandate for individuals to work a deal out? but i think if we utilize obamacare to close down the government, it's going to back fire on republicans. >> it's so complicated still. from the democratic point of view, i'm curious, do you have an alternative that might be able to get bipartisan support and get this thing on the road,