there's a reason for that. you can see -- look. you can't talk about breaking up the ruling class and the mentality without breaking up the ruling class and that mentality. and more than any group up there, congress has become very insular. they pass these laws. i mean, obama care was pass around 10:00 at night, 12:00. nobody got to see the final legislation. that's because they pat each other on the back. they get along. all great and so forth. in terms of citizen participation, because of incumbency like gerrymandering, free media, look at jahmeshia is on tv about every 14 minutes as an example, it becomes more and more difficult for citizen challengers to be effective. that's what the framers wanted, really. >> you look at gerrymandering in this country. the house of representatives. depending on the district is extremely difficult to dislodge an incumbent. what i'm saying is there ought to be a -- and the framers, i