fast. what is the difference between selling those guys and journalist guys? >> the journalist guys thing they're doing journalist work. that's a different standard than where everybody is economically tied together. they don't -- >> did they think -- >> did you think they were stupid, arrogant? >> oh, arrogant is a much better word. the difference between, say, newspaper people and academics is very small. and they all run in the same scenario of thinking that they're doing things very educated, done very well academically. >> how many business courses? >> not too many. i don't know of any. because based on my experience, they had a lot of trouble adding and subjecting. >> not a happy newspaper owner. giving -- well, sam zell with a major warning for jeff bezos who bought "washington post" for $250,000. he says you have no idea what