over -- you were able to overcome all these obstacles and prosper and go on and do something really amazing with your life. again, not excusing the heinousness of the crime. i'm very sorry for the victims' families. why are we giving this guy such a hard time when he has turned his life around? >> laura: last word, dr. forester? >> we worry about safety on college campuses and we worry about a rampage from a student. here is somebody who is a proven killer. we are going to have what if he he doesn't take his medication for one week. >> 1997 he won the teaching excellence and leadership award. he won all these academic awards. this is such a bizarre case, i don't even know what to think about it i'm just going to confess i as a parent would probably be worried about this. extremely worried. so i'm just saying that but, doctors thank you very much. great to see you both. >> thank you.