pretty well. u.s.a. today, i wouldn't say a super conservative peo but res increasing. so i'm looking at all those, fair and balanced, we're hearing the other side, balancing it out for the liberals, it used to be making better than losing money proposition. now faced with those things, they won't change? >> i think you got to make a distinction between something you can't compare a fox news corporation to the "new york times". >> neil: i think you can in this respect, try all points of view? >> but my point is, even the examples you made of positive returns, if you looked at how much the investments were, the returns suck. basically the newspaper business, per se.