>> did you and other people in this cincinnati office feel they were being unfairly blamed or used to excuse this political activity that was going on in the washington office? >> i can't comment on what others personally, i felt like -- i felt they were blaming us. >> didn't obama say that the irs scandal's so outrageous, could not be permitted? was he lying then or was he lying now? he told everybody how bad the irs scandal was. we just couldn't permit this. but now, that's a phony scandal. >> so, which is it? inexcusable or phony. michele bachmann joins us. nice to see you. >> hi, good to see you again, too, greta. >> let me get your first