was some demonstrations and protests that i think urged on the investigation. but about the extent of it. >> back then, i mean, did you support a person's right to carry with the permit? >> i don't have any problem with that. with a permit. it's lawfully using and carrying a firearm is fine. >> and what was your reaction to west's knock-knock joke? >> my reaction before he even -- once he started the joke, i was all to myself i wasn't going to laugh no matter what it was. how good it was. with all due respect to don west, i didn't have a problem with that. i didn't have a problem with holding back the laughter because it was not a good joke. and i don't care what he says about it, his presentation. it was not a presentation but not a good joke and doesn't seem appropriate to me. >> in bad taste? >> in bad taste, yeah.