lesser included offenses of manslaughter. and they thought it may have a conviction there, but that did send a message to them that they didn't have a strong case. i don't think the state this a strong case from the very beginning. that's why they threw second degree murder up there knowing they would never get it. >> it's fascinating. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. was supreme court chief justice roberts pressured into ruling for obama care? that's in senator mike lee's new book. [ brent ] this guy's a pro, herbie. [ herbie ] there's no doubt about it brent, a real gate keeper. here's kevin, the new boyfriend. lamb to the slaughter. that's right brent. mom's baked cookies but he'll be lucky to make it inside. and here's the play. oh dad did not see this coming. [ crowd cheering ] now if kevin can just seize the opportunity. it's looking good, herbie. he's seen it. it's all over.