oil. there is the human risk which is what we saw evidence in canada this week. the reality is that train tracks are designed to go through population centers. pipelines by contrast don't tend to be that. when you have leaks or spills, you are not putting humans at such huge risk as you are as when you are transporting masses amounts of combustible fuel through population centers. where people can die. >> is this going to have any influence, kim, on president obama's decision, do you think? >> i think we are beyond knowing what is influencing president obama's decision here. he gave this speech on climate a few weeks back and he seemed to lay out a new standard saying that, you know, keystone added to the climate change, fuzzy standard because of the way you can measure things like that, and interest didn't really give any further indication of which way he's going. he seems to be put thing off as long as he can. >> i will admit i have been