>> even if the wire taps were free, they wouldn't be worth it. too often in modern times we gave up liberty under the false federal government who are fallible can protect us. it is a risk to take. in a fro society there is risk but worth it to live with this. we should defend it. >> to john's point, what is weird, spying can be a profit center. >> military and industrial complexes are inficient and will have corruption. it is not bean ball when we play with islamic terrorism and the new information cold war with china and russia and not a war we can finish second in. i think it is a murky area. john brings up a lot of points, but our liberties are dependent