cost of living in other places. it is quite a bit higher. a family of four requires about $88,000 in order to live. the fact that d.c. would require wal-mart to pay its employees more is perfectly in line with a well-functioning market. >>steve: by the same idea, the people of washington, d.c. would enjoy lower prices, and now wal-mart, kevin, is not going to apparently build those stores there unless the mayor goes ahead and vetoes it, and those jobs aren't going to be there. it just doesn't seem like -- it seems like they're trying to jam this down wal-mart's throat because they are successful and none union. >> the unionized employers, when they bring in, they start them out at lower wages. unions tried to organize wal-mart and the workers don't want to do it and the reason is it is a nice career path.