referee of the empire. ted has seen some, diana has seen a lot of it, i trust you guys' judgment. i love this guy, west. i didn't come out of blocks real hot on him, because he came out andly to a knock knock joke, which really troubled me. is he a cool cat. doesn't raise his voice, not disrespectful. too bad for the judge. this guy's job is to zealously represent his client in the bounds of the law. if an ethical violation is the goal line, your heels should be on it the entire trial. >> and she ought to -- even if the lawyers are annoyed, she ought to, since the defendant's life is on the line, life in prison, they need to make a record when they object, they ought to be a record. >> look, i don't have any problem of anybody making a record, but you have to give respect and you have to get respect, and you have to respect the court. hold on, greta, there were times