>> senator, i've antelope hunted in your lovely state, and it's a magnificent state, as would be the ozark region. my experience is that people who are there so care about it, and they just don't want anyone to come in and mess it up. but when i talk to people who defend blueways, their response is, look, this isn't black helicopter tin foil hat stuff, this is real effort on the federal government to make it all better, to improve it. so why should i still be concerned that there may be something else behind all this? >> well, i have the same concerns that you do. what we have seen is washington with -- whether it's the endangered species act, the clean air act, the clean water act, go way beyond the original intent of any of those legislation pieces, and whatever secretary salazar was secretary of the interior at the time may have promised people, we now have a new secretary of interior, and that's why you