a president has to lead. americans will not be happy to go to war but they will support a president who makes a case for military intervention. again, it doesn't mean that american troops will be in syria. it just means that the u.s. will get in the game. really the only kind of game changer would be to military on the ground in syria is to ground assad's planes. >> paul: what the end game for you if we do that? what do you want to see? what should the u.s. push for? >> we want to topple the assad regime. >> paul: then what? >> then what happens in sear why with the rel rebels. islamists that are rising in the movement and more mainstream opposition. bottom line, no arab country has willingly supported an al-qaeda type regime. >> our responsibility is not to ensure on democratic