overseas wiretaps. he inherited that program. where is this irs scandals. now going? >> a lot of democrats are saying, you know what, it is over. we have talked to a couple of people in cincinnati andow our vehicles they say it was no big deal. is that true? >> it's not over and ig think cnn poll tells youit the american people don'tol want this -- striking findings how much distrust abou t the administration's story but a full 25% ofst self-described liberals in that poll think that the irs targeting was directed by senator officials in the white house. we're going to find outic what to any extent there was political white house or political appointees involved. >> paul: are we really going to find that out? >> the question of leadership with presidentg obama. the political leadershipid was involved, it's absolutely true that hisas leadership on this issued, has been terrible.