trying to keep the ugly details of the targeting from you, going to far as to plot a coverup. we have a washington times reporter here. >> good to see you. >> explain to me where the former director of the irs fits into the scheme of minimizing or keeping the lid on what happened, what was exposed at the irs. >> well, according to testimony given to the congressional investigators by holly paz, essentially, lois lerner's deputy at the irs in washington, miss lerner and mr. miller had discussed some sort of plan to roll out the unfolding irs scandal. miss lerner knew about it at least as early at mid 2011 when according to the inspector general's report, when she was briefed on it and essentially said, we have to change these things. >> so they rolled out this phony thing where lois lerner went to the aba meeting and got a woman