needs to forge stronger economic ties with leaders in senegal and tanzania. he really does need to do that. as you point out, there is skype but not as effective. >> not as effective. >> they need to. ben rhodes says there will be a great bang for our buck on this trip. that's going to do a lot for our relations in the region. not that he's the first president to take a trip. traveling as the first family costs a lot of money. we willingly pay for their security, happily pay for them to be safe, but really, visiting senegal and tanzania, is that critical right now? >> well, it's not talking about the alphabet soup in which the president is currently sunk of the irs, doj -- >> distraction? >> distraction but also have to