they were at 40% of the public work force about 30 years ago. they're now at 6.6%. there's 7.3 million people according to bls in 2012, end of to 1 2012 in unions. you're talking about people coming from countries where unions are prevalent. this is 100% political. there's no other way to spin this. this is a matter of survival for these unions. >> susan, you agree with that? is that about growing the economy or growing the union base in >> this is absolutely about growing the economy. if you look at who else was there at that press conference and at that white house event, it was the head of the u.s. chamber of commerce, tom donahue. if you look at who's been supporting immigration reform, it's all the high-tech companies. businesses are crying out for this reform. they want it because they roh it's going to help them and the economy. >> there is a big difference in reform for the right reasons and what the unions are doing. immigration reform should be done. a lot of political leaders do it. to associate them with unions i