and murderers. >> um-hum. exactly. the atf argument and doj's argument for this program was that they were going to track and trace 2,500 weapons into mexico, right? out of 2,500 of those guns, high-powered ak-47s, they put two gps devices on 2,500. you do the math, but it doesn't sound like a serious tracking program no me. the way the department responded to operation fast and furious coming to the surface is what we see all the time in the obama administration playbook. blame rogue agents at the local level, but eventually find out it's senior level officials in washington, d.c. ordering and signing off on wiretaps for this. once they get caught, deny. eric holder you just saw. his timeline is off when he knew. memos addressed directly to eric