out a window. in this case, these two guys aren't lucky enough to be hanging out a window. they're just on scaffolding which is bent in the middle. nwpd up high trying to get this together and they're chatting it up on the phone. and at the same time, the nsa hearing is underway in washington as we let you listen in to this, we will continue to watch this scaffolding incident and update you with new information we get. first, let's listen as the nsa director speaks out defending the agency in light of surveillance leaks. >> counterterrorism aid under three presidents i believe just wrote an article recently on this and suggested we wouldn't have the problems today if we had stood up this board much more quickly. general alexander, will the nsa cooperate with any investigation conducted by the privacy and civil liberties oversight board into the agency's collection and