>> what are the -- the measures we could take? sanctions economically, what could we do? >> all sorts of things, right now, china's economy is in trouble, growth only a third of what is advertised. last year's, china's trade surplus, 136.3% of its overall surpl surplus. we have enormous leverage, especially now that china's economy is fragile. we have got the tools. the only question is, whether we have the will to use those tools. >> it doesn't appear to many people we don't currently, and certainly in different administrations across the board this tension. does this administration step up? >> well, i think eventually it will, because it will have no choice. this administration, like the one before it wants to have cooperative relationships with beijing. who doesn't?