and they need to have the truth from this administration. >> bill: now, do you think your colleague jim mcdermott the colleague from washington state wants the truth. do you really think he wants to know what happened there. >> his version of the truth may be different than what the american people's version of the truth might be. >> bill: running interference for the irs today. he was defending the irs. and the most vocal defender on the ways and means committee in the face of all this testimony. i knew -- you know he is a far left guy. >>e. >> bill: if it was reversed. if the bush administration had been going after media matters and these people, mcdermott would been the first one out there with the flaming torch. >> absolutely amazing. what he was doing was saying that because the individuals came to the irs and asked for that status that it was their fawg faulted that these things happened. that really was phenomenal. >> bill: do you talk to him though? do you say what are you doing, jim? >> sure. >> bill: what does he say? >> absolutely. as you know he is a far leguy.