their exchange after he insists this was not a political pursuit by the irs. >> there is no suggestion the independent -- the inspector general said there was no politics involved in it. no one indicated at all the white house is involved. the irs director was appointed under president bush served under both presidents this was not a political -- >> bologna. >> if it is not political why are only conservative groups being targeted. >> there was. >> name one. >> what other group had tea heart or patriot in its name was targeted. not a single liberal group -- >> this was not an effort driven by the white house. it would be the dumbest political effort of all times. >> i didn't suggest it was driven by the white house but i suggest -- >> i think people sitting in cincinnati, laguna baltimore and