is that difficult? >> well, yes. have you to remember that these women near a situation where they have been in an environment where they have been abused and essentially tortured. so it's going to be very hard for them to trust any luman beings, even their family at first. i am sure, initially, they are going to be standoff-ish and guarded and wanting to protect themselves. but to be in a situation like this, your mind has to go to a place where it can defend itself to -- it's just a self preservation instinct. >> jamie: is there any sense by people who go through this -- i am thinking of shawn horn back, the young man who was taken into captivity and sexually abused. they are treated less than we treat animals in these situations. is there any sense in their mind , after time that they in some way deserve this treatment or that this becomes normal? >> lyou know, i have used the analogy of an abusive relationship. after a while, what seems