>> greta: it is not constructive if he didn't answer the question transferring other money. you have the administrator saying i agree this is no way to run a government but we are complying with the law. he is not being creative and not trying. you say it is constructive and i think it is not. >> we pointed out, i mean several times in the hearing last week in their budget all of the areas that are not personnel related that aren't air traffic controller related that are what we would call overhead. $500 million for consultant contracts. $179 million for travel. $134 million for office supplies. those are the types of things they should have been looking at. >> greta: what do they say when you say get that money and move it over here? >> they say we already cut these areas back and it is not enough. if you look at, of course, the point you made earlier the larger d.o.p o.t. budget is a