night. i mean, nobody knew about when this terrorist was going to be caught. we knew he would be. we didn't know what time. i had geraldo sitting here god help me but geraldo knows a lot about the case. so when there was a lull in the action. we would go geraldo, when we howie carr up in boston. family spokesman for the poor 8-year-old who was killed. little boy and we had -- we go to him. but cnn relied far too much on just being there. and the results were the results. >> yeah, very unfortunate for cnn. look, it is a challenge because i think the cable news environment, bill, lends itself to always, not just in an emergency like, this but always a sense of urgency vow news alerts and whether you are covering an actual urgent situation like this. or not, there is always sort of this injection of necessary energy. and sometimes you manufacture the energy and i think we are all kind of guilty of doing this. >> bill: just about filling