>> no, absolutely not. mark and i both had a history of working on campaigns and both of us would be hypocritical and feigned outrage if there was salty talk or brain-storming on potential attack. number two, it doesn't show that senator mcconnell made these. >> he was in there and wasn't objecting. here is the bite, there are many. here is the bite getting him in some trouble with some people one of his aides talking about going after ashley judd's mental competency, and her history on this issue. here is the sound bite. >> >> go ahead, tony. >> well, is any of that not factually true? even if it weren't, this was a private conversation. >> it's a political issue.