worthy. >> megyn: how do you know he's trying to deflect. how do you know he's trying to deflec deflect? how do you know he wasn't the victim of a crime? >> most political observers looking at the quality of the tape suspect it's a leak from his staff. there's no evidence of a bug and even the campaign manager from mitch mcconnell i believe told chuck todd, they did a sweep of the entire office and found no traces of a bug and calling in the fbi. >> megyn: they're saying nobody in their campaign would have leaked, this is family and worked closely with the senator for years. >> that's what they all say. >> megyn: and mark doesn't think it's a story because most political observers do not believe it's a bug. i want to ask you the reverse, is it a story that you've got a top u.s. senator on tape talking about opposition research against a well-known hollywood actress and possible political candidate, and planned to attack, among other things her mental state and suicide attempts?