they he embarrassed themselv themselves. and the channels facing that news channel, what's the biggest misconception at cnn. >> that it's a liberal network, it's not. asked what to do to change that. make sure we have the right balances of voices, good conservatives, good liberals, experts in all areas, it's a serious news network. so, judy on the one hand he says we're not biased, but on the other hand he says we need more balance, how do you explain that? >> i'm going to leave that to phil kent's publicity people. i think what struck me about it was this breitbart went through a list of issues and compared msnbc's positions to cnn's position and found no difference in terms of their on-air presentation on benghazi, on gun control, on