activist. deborah edge is the single mother of 7 kids and also worked in an abortion clinic but finally left after she couldn't bear to deal with the horrors that she witnessed there. both women are are trying to convince others to leave their jobs in the abortion industry. abbey and deborah, great to have you both. when you hear the story of dr. gosnell i think it is bone chilling to hear this hideous thing. are you surprised by the kind of practices that have bee described in his trial? >> not surprised at all. it is something that i have seen year after the year and it is very depressing but it is no i'm not surprised. surprised that the babies are being killed like that, yes. i'm not surprised that he was doing that in his office. >> mike: you saw things similar to that the industry? >> not only did i see. i was actually there in the o.r. room assisting during procedures like this. >> mike: it is just beyond imagination that we do that in