i'm scandalized that the lawyers this time. >> and michael is right and greta is right. the jury retaliates and the client suffers not the expert. >> and a hired gun and they'll bring it out. the fact is she murdered this guy and admitted she murdered him and lied. >> and convicted with first degree murder with a death penalty or second degree murder, but when you bludgeon someone with 27 stab wounds and do it in a jealous rage, and that's murder in the second degree and not first degree, but instead the defense and prosecutors are trying it like a first degree murder. >> don't forget she brought that gun to the party. and stolen from her grandparents, it was a .25 caliber, there are not many .25 calibers. >> greta: i can see that's not a good fact for her, if you're asking me, not a good fact. >> no bruises about her body, that's not good. >> greta: anyway, gentlemen, thanks as always. >> first degree. >> greta: and this is to our viewers. which member of the esteemed