>> could you for us, you talked about being in this small motor home. so could you describe for us her demeanor after the phone call? >> well once it got heated she excused herself and stepped outside. she talked to him for about a half hour outside and when she came back in, she was shaking and crying. >> okay. had you seen her act like that before in any of your prior interactions with her. >> no. >> did you ever see miss arias get mad at travis? >> no. >> and gus joins us. nice to see you, gus. >> hello. >> just, tell me, how did you know jodi arias?