say, yes. boy, across-the-board people have been making the case to him. they changed the route. they have done everything that they -- that he has asked them to do in order to say yes to this project. >> shannon: i don't know if you had a chance to look at a lot of what he said this week in chicago but he talked about creating this $2 billion sort of trust fund to use royalties that the government gets from drilling leases and those kinds of things to use the money towards alternate energy sources. what role do you think that that plays in lessening our dependences on foreign oil? >> we long said we need and all of the above energy plan but you needs to take into consideration economic reality. so we need -- we need to do more exploration here in this country. we know that we have oil reserves. we know that we have coal reserves. we need to say, yes. what is going on with natural gas is phenomenal and the