level people but the big guys got off. the jeff neely the guy who organized the conference was not fired but allowed to retire with full benefits. and prudy is reinstated to 11 months back pay. the lesson to employees, are you can get fired but bosses won't be. that is precisely wrong management lesson to send. martha: did it boil down to work place attorney who convinced them really just wasn't his fault? >> well the average government employee can't afford a bigshot attorney to represent him in front of the merit system protection board and appeals process. proud di who has been with the government for 40 years had a union that helped him get an attorney like this. martha: john, we'll drum you right out of this story with the bongo drums in las vegas conference. unbelievable. and really important to shed light on these stories so people understand how the money is being spent out there. john, good to see you. >> thank you. bill: good work if you can get it.