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big ticket items that mean a lot. democrats and the president just won't go near it the president came up to the hill today and met behind closed doors with republicans for the first time in no one can remember when. and they said it was a productive meeting, et cetera. the democrats look at the republican budget from paul ryan and they say it's draconian and it's not going to work and that the math is phony and everything else. republicans by contrast have to have a point. democratic proposal to increase taxes $975 billion in the next 10 years is going to make an economic recovery a lot harder. in addition, the 97 a billion dollars spending cuts that they claim they're making are reductions in spending. >> it doesn't balance. the democrats have abandoned the idea of a balanced budget and because of that the deficits might be smaller but the now 17 trillion-dollar current debt is going to be much, much higher if it doesn't balance. >> bill: let's just cut to the chase here before everybody's head blows off. you have got a president of

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